Transcript Of LaPierre Testimony

Here. The high (or low) points:

“Q. Since at least 2012, the NRA has paid for you to fly by private charter; correct?

A. Yes.

Q. NRA’s former Director of Security, Jim Staples, told you that; is that correct?

A Yes.

Q You’ve previously testified that the NRA requires you to fly by private charter at all times, for security reasons; is that right?

A Yes.
. . . . .
Q. And you hired Mr. Staples as the NRA’s Director of
in 2015; correct?
A. Yes.
Q. But you had flown by private charter for several years that; is that accurate?

A. Yes.”

. . . . . . .

“Q When you would book private flights with Ms. Stanford, didn’t know how much the flights cost, right?
A No.

Q right? You didn’t ask Ms. Stanford how much the flights cost, right?

A. No. (The answer is about $7,000 per flight hour, plus expenses).

Q. And she — she didn’t tell you what the flights cost,

A No.

. . . . .

Q You’ve been to the Bahamas several times, right?
A Yes.
Q You and your wife would frequently vacation there in the summers?

A Yes.

Q And when you would go to the Bahamas, you would take private flights to get there, correct?

A Yes.
Q And the NRA paid for those flights, right?
A Yes.

. . . . . .
Q All right. Are you aware that Ms. Stanford would often book and bill the NRA for private flights where you were not even a passenger, is that right?

A Yes.

. . . . . . .

Mr. LaPierre, this invoice reflects a flight you approved for your niece’s husband Terry Sterner, correct?

A Yes.

Q. It’s a flight from Las Vegas to North Platte, Nebraska, is that right?

A Yes.


Q You authorized this flight so that Mr. Sterner — Sterner could help babysit their daughter while Ms. Sterner working at a convention, correct?


A Yes. I also want to wanted him to be familiar with job the his wife did.


Q All right. And this flight was over $15,000, correct?

A Yes.

. . . . . . .

Q And you’re familiar with the entities Allegiance Creative, and Concord Social?

A Yes.

Q They have also been NRA vendors for about a decade, 2011; right?

A Yes.

Q. And until 2022, the NRA had separate contracts with MMP, Concord, and Allegiance; right?

A I believe that’s correct.

Q MMP, Allegiance, and Concord have the same employees;

A Yes.


Q Share the same office location?

A Yes.

Q And the NRA paid these three companies separate monthly right?

A I believe so.
. . . . . . .

Q And you didn’t monitor what Associated TV billed to the NRA; correct?
A Yeah, that’s correct.

. . . . . . .

Q. And you and your family would stay on the yacht; correct?
A Yes.

Q And a chef would prepare your meals?
A Not all the time, but sometimes.
Q And you never paid the McKenzies for the use of the yacht Illusions?

A. Yes.

Q. And when you would go to the Bahamas, you would fly private charter; correct?


A Yes.
Q And the NRA would pay for those flights; correct?

A Yes.

Q This is a flight invoice for one of the summer the Bahamas, right?
A Yes.

Q And this flight was approximately $37,000, right?

Yes.

. . . . . .

Q would you agree that this is hotel room charges for (his wife’s niece) Sterner at the Four Seasons Hotel?
A Yes, during our national convention.
Q And if you could turn to page 20, specifically —
Q — you’ll see a reference for “Colleen Sterner” with a with a room number. Do you see that? correct?

A Yes.
Q And the total for Ms. Sterner’s room, that’s $12,332?

A Yes.

Pages 2234-2238:

Too long to cut and paste, but the EVP’s office paid director Marion Hammer as a consultant, so did NRA-ILA, and they also gave her group United Sportsmen of Florida $216,000 per year (which USF used mostly to pay her). Her pay from the EVP was $84,000, suddenly increased in 2017 to $165,000/year, then to $222,000 on a ten year contract (with an 82 yr old woman).

Pages 2241-2250:

Kyle Weaver was head of General Operations, until LaPierre fired him in 2016, “there were many issues.” He and four subordinates were fired and escorted out of the building by security. LaPierre then agreed to a $1.8 million severance package for him. Woody Phillips was treasurer for several years while actually living in Texas. LaPierre himself had a severance contract that provided that, if he ever left the EVP post, he’d get $1.3 to $1.5 million a year for ten years. Neither the board nor the Audit Committee approved it.

Pages 2290-2293:

Invoices for LaPierre’s assistant Millie Hallow billing NRA for “black car service” to drive her son from NY City to DC, cost $1,285. On a trip to France, NRA paid over $98,000 for two chauffeured black cars to drive the LaPierres, Hallow and others around.

Testimony will resume on Monday.

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6 thoughts on “Transcript Of LaPierre Testimony

  1. It should prove in the jury’s mind that Wayne, his minions, and the majority of the board (minus a few) are guilty of breaking NY’s regulations for non-profit!

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  2. The board should be prosecuted, why didn’t the board go after the money spent on the bankruptcy for ‘“using this bankruptcy case to address a regulatory enforcement problem’ was not a permitted use of bankruptcy.”

    Brewer charged the NRA members over $20,000,000!

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  3. New York has a cause of action based on the unfaithful or faithless servant doctrine. “New York’s strict application of the faithless servant doctrine ‘mandates the forfeiture of all compensation … where … one who owes a duty of fidelity to a principal is faithless in the performance of his services’…” Art Capital Grp., LLC v. Rose, 149 A.D.3d 447, 52 N.Y.S.3d 85 (N.Y. App. Div. 2017).

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  4. One question that comes to mind is will the judge force Brewer et al to return some of the clearly illegal payments that were made on behalf of those who were also doing their criminal actions in their leadership of the NRA? What about penalties for an obvious attempt to avoid the N.Y. AG by filing an ill conceived bankruptcy attempt?
    As long as we are thinking about it, I believe that the judge already ruled that the bankruptcy filing was improper. What type of sanctions may be hammered down once everything is all shaken out? Or is that window closed?
    It truly is difficult to remain patient, when we are basically finally seeing exactly what we have known for a couple of years what was truly going on. The desire for me is to jump and punish those who were involved what seems to be criminal activities. If any case could possibly be ripe for a RICO act filing, it would seem like this one would be it.
    Just one last word, thanks to all who are keeping us up to date, by reporting these daily court actions. It helps guys like me who, while I might be able to read and understand some of the actions going on in court, I would never follow everything, and you make it so easy to understand. So you have my eternal gratitude, no matter the outcome. At least it won’t be a case of the ignorance of the membership, since anyone can seek the testimony and evidence out.
    Be well, and stay frosty.

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